Season 4. Episode 3 Author, Mindset Coach and Mountain climber Jodi Greve asks: "What is your Mount Kilimanjaro?

Jodi Greve is like a lot of my interviewees in that a setback she experienced forced her to change her path. She was a gifted athlete who competed in college when an ACL injury sidelined her. She decided to stick with athletics and studied to be a trainer. After years doing training with top athletes, she felt the coaching bug and became a coach. 

Spending time with elite athletes definitely affected her in a good way. She ended up setting her sights on climbing Mount Kilimanjaro, despite never having done anything like that! She decided to plan it, buy the airplane ticket, and just figure it out after. 

As unorthodox as that was, it worked and she found herself on the mountaintop in Africa feeling like a failure because she was struggling and usually last in line, one of the slower climbers. Her guide had to remind her that there is no "#1 spot in climbing that just being there was winning. 

Despite the climb being grueling and really difficult, she kept going and reached the summit.  She had trained herself to go from "stop sign to stop sign" with her friend and she used the same approach on the mountain. She would focus on a rock ahead and just think about making it there. And then the next rock, and the next.

When she got back home, she realized she was repeating her story over and over for inquisitive friends, so she did a Facebook live. People loved it and encouraged her to consider being a speaker. Her lessons learned in her life and on that mountain makes her the perfect mindset speaker and coach. 

She coaches people one one-on-one, speaks to business groups, athletes, and still does coach athletes in the summer. She wrote a book about her experiences called "Conquering Kilimanjaro " 

I found her such an inspiration, and you will too! You can reach Jodi at:
Jodigreve.com 
or on Instagram, Ticktock, or X: CoachJodi_
Information about her three books (including "Conquering Kilimanjaro" and "My Life in the 50 States" and "From Athlete to Entrepreneur") is on her website here:

https://www.jodigreve.com/products

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Hello, you've reached the storied human podcast hosted by me Lynne Thompson. Each week I share a story, either an interview with someone fascinating, or a short solo from me. I love your stories, and I learned so much from them. Hopefully you will, too. So welcome. If you are new here, I'm so happy to have you. If you are a returning listener, many thanks. So here it is the next episode of the storied human. Hello, and welcome to the story of human. Today I have a guest, Jody greevey. She's a motivational speaker, performance mindset coach, and author. She travels all over the world, teaching people about healthy approaches to mindset and body. And that achieving any goal and winning doesn't mean that you always finish first, but that the skills you gain along the way, set you up for a bigger win in the long run. You got my attention with that first paragraph. And then I read a little bit of the first chapter of one of your books. And I just totally related to how you talk about this. So welcome, Jody, thank you so much. I'm so excited to be here and speak with you and your audience. Me too. And it's so fun to meet people on Facebook and just it's just it happens so quickly, like people just really want to talk and I really want you to you know, I really want to interview you. And I've made some great connections on that group. So I really appreciate it. So why don't you tell me just a little bit about your background? Well, I was an athlete all growing up, I pretty much played everything volleyball, basketball, track softball, but basketball was my true love. And I played my freshman year of junior college basketball. Unfortunately, I blew up many I tore my anterior cruciate ligament ACL, which is what so many female athletes tear and so I just I faced reality and fortunately, and I decided to go ahead and do what I wanted to do. And that was become an athletic trainer. And I was an athletic trainer, my sophomore year for a women's track team who was really, really good. And then I ended up transferring to the University of Arkansas to be an athletic trainer for the men's basketball team. And the head coach of the time was Hall of Fame coach Nolan Richardson. And I decided that after seeing his passion, and his love of the game, I felt like it was a lot like mine. I decided I wanted to coach instead. So I ended up finishing up my degree with athletic training, but went on to grad school and became a graduate assistant, as a basketball coach and I coached college ball for for 14 years. And then in 2015, I decided that I needed to take a timeout from the college coaching. And that's when I moved back to to Fayetteville, Arkansas, and a whole lot has happened in those last I guess it's 856 years. It's been eight years now, which is crazy to me. Wow. I know it goes fast. So you. So it just sounds like you brought so much of what you learned from those years coaching. And you brought it into a way of thinking about mindset and achieving your goals. And now you speak and you share with people. Tell us a little bit more about what you you know what your approach is and how you got to that point? Well, I've always been a real big quotes person, motivational quotes, whether they're funny or serious, you know, whatever it is, I really felt like that there's a lot to be said in one or two sentences. And I always had daily quotes, sent out to players who I thought were, you know, struggling, that kind of thing. And that kind of grew. And then in August of 2018, I decided to do something that I've always wanted to do. I just I've finally just said yes, and figured out the details later. And I decided I was going to climb Mount Kilimanjaro over in Tanzania. And mind you, I had heard of Kilimanjaro before and you know I actually wanted to climb that for almost 10 years at that point. But I honestly had no idea where exactly it was. Which some people like wait, what why didn't you research I was like, Well, I know it was in Africa, because it is is the highest point in time. Africa and as the world's largest freestanding mountain, and I knew I wanted to climb it, because I wanted to do something physically challenging and demanding that the majority of my friends would never do or hadn't done. Because I was very fortunate in my life to be surrounded by high level elite athletes. And when I say high level elite athletes, I'm talking about Olympians, Olympic medalists, NFL Pro Bowlers, NBA All Stars, you know, and even countless other people that have played professionally in their respective sport. And I just didn't have the physical ability to do all of that. And so, but there was I just, I wanted to be able to prove that I could do something like that. And so I decided to climb Kili. And as an athlete, and as a competitor, you're taught growing up that the only way that you win is if you come in first place. Well, when I was on the mountain, I was coming in there last every single day. And the first few days, it did a number on my mind. And I thought I was failing, because I wasn't coming in first. And to me that that meant that I wasn't reaching my goal. And it was on the third day that one of our CEOs and the CEO is a is a guide. And he asked me what was wrong. And I was like, Oh, nothing, I'm good. You know, just kind of brushing it off. He said, No, God little, what's wrong? And I was like, well, it's like, I'm coming in last, like I'm at the back of the pack. You know it to me, he said, you realize there's no prize for coming in first, right? So somebody's already done that. It's like you're winning, because you're finishing every day. And you're climbing Mount Kilimanjaro. I mean, who cares? What level you know what number in the line, you're, you realize you are climbing a mountain most people could be right. But that for some reason that part of it wasn't thinking in my head. And I think as competitors, we're always wanting to do the best. And I And when I say competitors, it's it can be anybody because it doesn't have to mean that you're competing for a spot or competing in a sport. I think that moms are competitive, and in in a different way. You know, they're, they're constantly trying to live up to society. And they feel like often, so more often than not, they're they're falling behind the eight ball. So in a sense, they're in their head, they're not winning, you know, because they're not up to the quote unquote, standard norm of society of them being able to do at all, when in reality, the main goal is to keep the kids alive. Today, you kept the kids alive. You've done a great job, you know? That's so true. So I think that so wherever you said that to me on the mountain, it it really like I heard him, but it didn't click. But on. On the summit night, it finally clicked. And it made a whole lot more sense. And I think as the days kind of progressed, it was, you know, I was a little more at ease with it. But But I just knew like, at the end of the day, if you reach your goal, does it really matter? What place quote unquote, place you came in? You know, it's like people who go back for the college degree. I've known several athletes that left early to go to the NBA or the NFL. They didn't complete their college degree. But it came back years later, and completed it. You still one, it may have taken you extra years to do it. Yeah. That goal that you set out to do. And at the end of the day, spoiler alert, I made it to the top of Kilimanjaro, and I won, and there's nobody that can tell me any difference that that I just love that. No, I love that. And that's how you sort of nailed that perspective. Like, you really nailed it. Yeah, and it was. And still to this day, like when I realized that sometimes I'm like, Oh, wow, I really did climb a mountain. I've never done I've never done anything like that before. Can you gonna do this? Basically, you know, I just dislike okay, my body. This because I've had, I've had five knee surgeries. I've had a knee. I've had back surgery, I've had shoulder surgery. And so when I first looked it up, I believe it was 2006 and at that time I had three knee surgeries. So I was like, Okay, can I handle this? Yep, sure. Can Can I afford it? Nope, not a chance because I was making $1,000 a year. So it How do you get put off? And then by the time I did climb, I had had four knee surgeries back and shoulder. So it was more like, Okay, can I do this physically? And I ended up running into some some issues on the before the mountain. But it was one of those things is like if if I don't try now, I'm never going to know. Yeah. That's so cool. That's such a cool story. I mean, not a lot of people would just say, You know what, I'm going to do this, I'm going to climb this famous mountain, you reminded me a little bit of my dad. I lost him about a year and a half ago. And I've just been realizing that I didn't get it when I was young. Like how amazing he was at setting a goal and reaching it, even though it took a really long time. And I think he understood that intuitively. It's like I got here. I never gave up and I got here, he became a commercial pilot, by collecting hours over a period of 10 years, while he worked and had a family. And he never gave up that dream. That was the dream. He didn't have military experience. He didn't have a college degree. Of course, back then you didn't really need one to be a pilot. And at 34 years old, which I think it was the 60s, or the early 70s. That was really no, it was the late 60s That was really old to get a job. Everybody's like, really, he got a job as a commercial pilot. And I think that, even though I didn't get it, that was modeled for me, that kind of persistence. And I see that in you. Because you you were thinking about this way back in 2006. And 12 years later, you did it. Right. That's like, amazing to me. That's tenacity. It was definitely, it was crazy how things just kept popping up whenever I was deciding to do it. And it was early into in January of 2018. I was on a trip with a high school friend and one of his friends as well. And we were, we were actually in Europe. And it was the first time I really said out loud that I wanted to do it. And I wanted, you know, people to go with and I wanted somebody else to do it with me, right? And they looked at me like Oh, no doubt you could do that. And I was shocked that they said that because I just I was questioning whether I could do it. But if they you know, like oftentimes it happens people see stuff in in in us that we don't necessarily see in ourselves. And so that kind of got the ball rolling. And I was trying to ask people if you know out here at Facebook, Hey, is anybody wanna climb Kilimanjaro with me. And I knew it was going to take some time planning and that kind of thing. And I had several people say they really wanted to do it. But when it came down to it, it was crickets basically. And whenever I had a friend of mine call me in August of 2018. And she was asking for some advice on a life changing decision she needed to make. And so we're just say yes, and figure out the details later. And the next morning, that's when I woke up and realize I needed to do the same thing with Kelvin, just to give an advice. How did you learn that because that's such a thing. And you know, when you learn about mindset, that's such a big part of it is, you know, Perfection is the enemy of progress, like you, you just have to jump in and messy and Done is better than perfect. And you get that, you know, you got that you were like I'm just gonna say yes, and figure it out later. You know, and it's it's definitely not easy for me either, because I am a huge planner. And within 24 hours of making that decision, I had my trip booked the plane ticket, booked everything boat had no idea how I was going to pay for it. But I was going to figure something out. And I have that was on August 28 of 2018. I was leaving January 8 of 2019. So four months, essentially in a week to figure it all out. But but sometimes when, you know, it's something that I had been thinking about for a long time, and I really wanted to do and I think that made it a little easier. You know, some people think that it was like a real impulse decision, but why isn't Yeah, but it wasn't I had thought about things for a really long time. But but it's true. It's like if I keep thinking about think about think about what is keeping me really from pulling the trigger like what is what is really ultimately stopping me from making the decision to go ahead and click purchase and buy the ticket and buy the all the things that went into taking that trip. So it it was by no means very easy for easy coming. To me as far as making decisions like that, but I think there's when it when you know that it's something that you really want to do, and it scares you, then that's when you need to go ahead and go for it and figure it out. Because the things that we really want to do are probably going to scare us. And that's okay. Yeah. Yeah. So just say yes. And figure out the details later. That's so cool. So do you use this as an example as as part of your when you when you give motivational speeches? Yes. Oh, definitely, in when I talk, it's, you know, it's all about mindset. It's about the mindset that I had to have going into training for the mountain and just getting to the mountain because once I was there, I had to change the mindset in order to get all the way to the top. So that competitive mindset that I had, as an athlete, as a coach, that's what got me prepared for the mountain, but had to make that mindset shift in a very short period of time, in order to complete it, because on the on the summit night, there was a lot of doubt, and there was some serious thoughts of, of just turning around and going back down the mountain. And why were there doubts? Because you couldn't be like, number one or two, I was exhausted. You're just like, I'm not sure this is gonna work, wondering what in the world I had thought about doing this? Why am I here? What's going on? Like, my legs felt like ice blocks trying to move up a mountain. And I can't imagine, I mean, Kilimanjaro is 90,000 feet and over 90,000 feet in the air. And the lack of oxygen starts playing with you, with your lungs with your brain. And I just, you know, I questioned like, why am I here? What am I doing? And it's crazy, because the first thought I had is, if I were to turn around and go back, and I would fly back home, one person in particular, I imagined telling this one person that I didn't make it. And their response in my head was, well, I know you can do that, I don't understand why you thought you would have been able to, whoa, you I don't even like this person. So I don't know why they came to mind first, because it made you stay, you don't want to you don't want to see that reaction. That's reliable. And but it also was, I don't care what they say, You know what somebody else does, I'm doing this for me, I want and it goes back to that, like, in the very beginning, I wanted to climb Kilimanjaro, for myself to prove that I could do something physically challenging and physically demanding. And so after that point, whenever I thought about that, and it was like the fifth our minds, we lived a long time on that Sunday night. And it was like the fifth hour I thought about it. And when I just said screw it, I'm doing it for me. Mentally, everything got so much easier. It was still hard physically. Let me fully on now. And it was very hard visit your legs are still ice blocks. Very much so God. But there's a there's a quote that is that I like to use a lot that apparently I had heard a lot, but apparently a lot of people have it. And that quote is mental list of physical as far as to one mental list of physical as far as to one. And so many times, mentally we will be defeated before we are physically right. And at that moment in the mountain on the mountain, it was so clear, because mentally, it was so much easier. And it was easier to tell myself Alright, let's go keep moving one foot in front of the other stop sign to stop sign. And physically it was still hard. But in a sense, it did get a little bit easier because of the way my mindset had shifted. And the way that I was thinking about getting to the next getting to the next stop. That's very powerful. That makes a lot of sense to me. And it's I am and I talk about this in in in my book conquering Kilimanjaro and it's something that we had that came up when I was training on a hill here. I live in Fayetteville, Arkansas. It's very hilly, absolutely gorgeous. In the Ozarks here and there's a hill over by the university called Cleveland Hill. And that hill is is almost 40 degrees. Have an incline. It's okay, strongest of cars putter up, going up that hill, but I chose to use it as, as a workout for really steep elevation, excuse me steep, steep incline. And I had a friend of mine that used to would walk with me. Now my friend is six, five, so her legs are a lot longer than mine, I'm only finding on. So when we would take this walks, she was often ahead of me. One particular day, we are on our first of intending to be four trips from the bottom of the hill at the stop sign to the top of the hill, this stop sign. And I kept thinking about how am I going to get through ribs three and four. And I can't even get through one right now. For I knew it, she was so far ahead of me. And she's yelling back at me, you know, come on Joey, you can do it, keep keep moving, keep moving. I was like, I don't know how I'm gonna do this. How am I gonna? How am I gonna get through for these reps. She said, Just go stop sign the stop sign. So she was talking about going from the bottom of the stop sign to the top of the stop sign worry about doing that first. And so I did. And that cause me to focus just on the rabid Han, don't worry about two, three and four. We're not there yet worry about one. It's like, it's like our destination when we're going somewhere. Right? You know, we were going towards the top of Kilimanjaro. But we were we were still on day one, we're trying to figure out what we're gonna do on the summer night. Well, we don't even know if we're gonna get to the summer night yet, hold on. Like, let's go through the journey first. And then we'll get to that destination. So on the summer night, I created my own stop signs, it was just different boulders, different rocks. So it's going from one stop sign to the next stop sign that there. All right, let's let's focus on this one to the next one. And so that's how that's that's a big, big reason as to why I was able to, to keep going. And it was because again, I was thinking about trying to get to the top, which is a hudl peak. And I hadn't even gotten to still a point yet, which is where it all flattens out at the top. So I think moving through life, when we start thinking about trying to reach a goal. Too many times we think about steps five, six, and seven. And we get we don't really worry about steps one, two and three first. That's so good, especially when you're a planner you do that I know I'm always like worried about the future, focusing on the future, how I'm going to get there. But it's really valuable to remember that you just have this segment in front of you. And you've got to focus on that this is not human to be able to look at all the steps. I love that. So as you're telling me that approach I'm thinking of, in 2018, I had breast cancer and it wasn't super bad. I mean, I was really lucky. And I started to worry and get all like scared to death about all the steps I had to go through and oh my god. And I just fell into what you're saying. And it helps so much. I said, No, we're just gonna worry about the next doctor's appointment, we're gonna get to that. And we're gonna get through that. And then I had the neck surgery. And then I had the next you know, whatever, like, and it was very hard for me because I am a planner like you. And I always, I feel like if you're going to do your due diligence, you're going to worry way ahead, and you got to be the one that remembers all these things coming up. And I stopped that and I was so much more calm. And I was able to tell my sister in law, the same thing when she got a very similar breast cancer, we're so lucky. It's so different. Now the way they aggressively look for your tumors, they find them when they're very small, so only due to radiation. And she had the same thing. But she really was scared. You know, because she hasn't had a lot of things happen to her, you know, medically and I have so I guess I was able to be a little calmer anyway. But she said that helps so much. You just you just look at that stop sign the stop sign. I love that. You're like, I'm just not even going to think about those other things. I'm just going to get there. Right. And in some people, you know, they're like, well, well, how do you know what's going to happen next? Well, as much of a planner as I am, I'm not trying to fool anybody to think that I don't completely not worry about what's happening next. But my main focus in my energy is on that next one, because you have to be prepared. You know, there's things you need to be prepared for in life, because you don't want to be blindsided or anything like that. However, I do believe that if you're going to get through something challenging to you, whatever it may be, that you focus on the task ahead and the task right now, so you are strong enough to be able to move on to the next one. Because if you know I think if you were worried about what was going to happen And, you know, three appointments from now? Yes. When are you really going to be able to focus and get your body? Why for the first appointment at hand, you know, really valuable. It's a very good lesson. You know, what I'm thinking of too is I know, elite athletes, I've heard them, you know, over and over, I hear people interviewed, and I'm really fascinated with athletes that are at the top of their game, they always have that understanding of mindset. That's always part of what they know. And I really admire them. And that's what you tap into you have, I mean, do you still coach her or bibs, I saw, sometimes you go to speak to athletes, like you still do that. I do. And I actually, I still coach, Summer, summer club basketball. So I work with a basketball team during the summer. So all the teams that I used to watch as a college coach during the summertime, now I'm coaching one of those teams. So these are all high school kids that are you know, playing on a on a select team looking to get scholarships for college and whatnot. So I still get my basketball fix in that sense. But I really try and with all with the lessons that I had learned, really kind of help them understand how important mindset is and understand the words that we speak to ourselves and the words that we speak to our teammates, how important those words are. And I'm also really fortunate that I'm also kind of in the track and field world, if you will, my best friend, she was actually professional track athlete, she did the heptathlon, which was freaking phenomenal. That's where you do seven events over the course of two days. And she competed at a very high level. Like I said, all my friends were, you know, really high elite level athletes. But being around her and her husband, who was a who is now the head track coach for the women's track team at the University of Arkansas, I get to see a different sport and see how the different dynamic of a mindset is for them. And he also has professional athletes that train that he trains. So that's a whole nother level of mindset. Because when, when track athletes have to go to their meats, for Americans, they have to go overseas, so they're traveling over to Europe to go to these track meats and compete, they don't have their coach coming with them, telling them, you know, giving them instructions and coaching them, they have to do a lot of that on their own, they have to show up to the practices on their own, they have to figure out in a whole new country where they may not be speaking a whole lot of English, you know, they have to figure that out. And they have to figure out how how to order in a foreign country just get around and that kind of thing. And so the it's really been interesting to see the different dynamics of different sports. And, you know, I've got another really close friend, that's a volleyball coach, and we talk about that stuff all the time. And the different ways that athletes have to think and if you really want to compete at that high level, you don't have to just turn up the physical aspect of your training, you really have to turn up the mental aspect as well. It's it's so much deeper and more complex than most people realize. I think it's fascinating to me, most evidently. And I really did always notice that the way they talked about, you know, in that moment of flow, like they, like, you know, especially basketball players, they talk about how it's all slow motion, and they can see what they're supposed to do. It's just fascinating that your mind is so engaged. And you're in a flow moment, you're just like, in a special moment. There, you know, lots of athletes will talk about that, especially like basketball players who had you know, career night scoring, you know, 3040 points, or whatever the case may be. And they'll often often say that they were in the zone, you know, other athletes in other sports, can say the same thing for whatever, you know, statistical category that they have. It's definitely different in my friends that have since retired from the respective sports. Pretty much all of them have said that the way that sports threw things at them, the lessons that they had to go through that it really prepared them for the working world. You know, having to have somebody BLS you constantly for the things that you're doing or not doing, depending on our day was going doing that versus you know, having a boss get onto you. You know how to handle that and it's just easier for you just Say, Okay, I gotcha. And I'm gonna get to work on that, you know? Yeah, I've heard that before that the skills really do transfer. I mean, there's a reason that the corporations and businesses love having athletes come in and speak to them. Because it's like it's in when I work with, you know, the clients that I work with. I, I like working with high performers. And that's not just athletes, but people in the business world as well. Somebody who really wants to take their, their game, whichever game they may be playing, whether it's, you know, just in an actual game, or whatever. And they want to take it to the next level. And what are you going to do with your mindset? How are you going to shift your mindset in order to get to where you want to go? So what kinds of groups do you speak to? I'm hearing? Yeah, I've primarily spoke to, I've primarily spoke to teams. But I've also had women's leadership groups reach out to me, I've had a couple of engagements where I've spoke to business executive leadership groups, but again, I think that the two just really correlate and they can relate to each other in the type of the mindset that they have. Because you think about people wanting to climb the corporate ladder, you know, that's their own Kilimanjaro climb to physical mountain, other people are trying to climb, figurative. I was like, what's the word? I don't know. Yeah. Okay, well, yeah, they were climbing their own figurative. So it's, it's very similar in how and how it can relate. Yeah. So you've tapped into like something that really applies all over the place? I think it's sort of like a universal thing. You know, the mindset component. Do you do one on one coaching, too? I think I saw they do. I do I, I do. And on my website, you can there's a there's a tab for coaching and to be able to set up a 15 minute free, excuse me, 30 minute free free call to see if if we fit each other because I understand not everybody is meant to is meant to be coached the way I coach and not everybody, you know, we all have our different styles in our different ways. So I really like to make sure that, you know, I am, my client and I are really on the same page with how we want to operate and how we want to proceed with with them getting to the next level. So yes, I do. I do do the one on one coaching. And that's a cool way to discover if you're a match is just to have that little session, because you're right, not everybody's going to line up. And that's okay. Yeah. So some people don't understand like, it's it's okay. If these clients tell me no. And it's okay. If I tell the client No, yes. And it's really saving everybody some some some headaches, probably, yeah. If you don't work well together, then then what's the, it's not going to work for you. That's such a good point. I got into podcasting because I took a class with a wonderful woman who was totally into the mindset stuff. Kathy Heller, she has a really successful podcast, and she gave us her time for free over five days. And, and she said the same thing. She said, Look, wherever you get it, like, whatever works for you, and offer that she goes, I might not be your person. You got to find your person. And I got off of the five days and I'm like, she's my person, you know, she's speaking my language. And you can't explain what that is, you know, that connection. But I was like, Yeah, I'm gonna learn from her. And I did. I mean, I was so uplifted by that class. And it was much more about setting intention, you know, and having the right mindset, and being messy and stepping out and just doing it. And that's what I did. I just stepped out and did something I've never done before. And it was a little shaky, you know, like, everything's gonna be in the beginning. But you just have to keep going. And I don't think I've ever stuck with anything quite this long. Like something brand new. I think I usually talk myself out of it. The cool part is like I told everybody, so I had accountability. That's really important, too. And there's a community that we've built up around, you know, the class. So those times, I totally love that because I don't want to let those people down. And there's even like a once a week thing I do. When I talk to two people I formed a little group with, yeah, that's really important. Like you said, you have friends who are athletes and have that same mindset that you do, it's just important to surround yourself with people that will be supportive, and that you can be accountable to 100% and when I did this, you know, I know everybody has their own opinions of, of social media, and I really feel like that social media can be used in in a really good way. And I used it as accountability because I put it out there that I was climbing Kili. And so then I had all these people asking well, how's You're training going, how you doing? What, like, what do you have to buy? What do you have to take with you all these questions, you know? Yeah, I have to do it. Yeah. Why? So it's just like, well, well, crap, I got all these people talking about it, you know, and then it wasn't a matter of, of them, of me letting them down in any sort of way. But it just, it kept me on track. And it gave me that accountability to make sure that I was getting the workouts in and make sure that I was getting everything I needed to do make sure I was figuring out how I was going to pay for it and, and that kind of thing. But it was, it was really fun. Because when I, you know when you when you put it out there, you don't really know how many people see it, you know, who like, likes it or whatever on Facebook or Instagram or whatnot. And this was way before Tik Tok or anything. So you never really know how much of an impact you have. But when I got back from it, I had a friend of mine. And she's more of an acquaintance. I've known her for some years. But it's, you know, it's not like we call each other up and go have coffee or anything. She I saw her at a basketball game. And she told me that she's like, I had to come find you. And let you know that my entire fourth grade class was following you on your trip. So I had I had told people, you know, if you want an itinerary, I'll send it to you. Because I'm not going to have service, I'm not going to be able to update anybody. So if you want the itinerary, I'll send it to you. And she had asked me for it. And she turned it into a whole lesson for her fourth grade class. And she said they will come in each day, like how she made it yet how she made it. No, just so excited. And she said they all cheered once I made my post that I had made it and everything and you know, and it's it's one of those things like you just never know the impact that you can have on somebody whether you talk to him or not. Also, when I got back, there's so many people that wanted to hear the story, hear how it went everything. And I've actually done a safari after climbing Kili as well. So, instead of having the conversation 500 times and having the awkward conversation with somebody I went to second grade with but hadn't talked to second grade. I just did a Facebook Live, and I, you know, everything and everybody came was able to come on and that kind of thing. So I did that Facebook Live. And that's where it really came about as far as me speaking, because I had several of my friends that were still in athletics, and they told me God, you really need to speak to athletes about this concept in what you learned on the mountain. And I was like, seriously, so I can't view my other friends to ask them throw the pitch the idea to them and stuff and, and they thought it'd be a great idea. So I was like, Alright, cool. So what I'm hearing is you had this wild dream to climb Mount Kilimanjaro and you went through it, you did it. You inspire tons of people. And you discovered that maybe you you want to take this motivational speaking further, and people were telling you like, You're good at this. But I'm really struck with that you inspired so many people and we never know who we're I feel that way about my podcasts like I love to have people on that have overcome a challenge or that have done something like you've done a big, you know, a big thing, a big goal. And I think we never know who's listening. And exactly what really helps someone say, Well, you know, my Kilimanjaro is smaller, you know, like, whatever, however they think of it. So I think that's wonderful. I love that whole image of the fourth graders getting excited. Yeah, it's it's awesome. I was able to there's a woman out in Phoenix, Arizona, and she's the I believe she's the chair of the Make a Wish Foundation out there. And I saw that she was climbing. So I sent her a book, just to share my story with her. And then I've had another lady who just happened to somehow find me on Instagram. And she said she saw it, she bought my book. And it inspired her to climb and so she's actually training to climb Kili. So I thought that was absolutely amazing. That must be such a good feeling to know that you've touched other people. I mean, because we're all so connected. And it's so wonderful when you can inspire people and feel connected to people. 100% So yeah, you Is there anything else you'd like to tell my listeners? Yeah, they're they're interested in in contacting me, you can go to my website is Jody greavy.com jdigv.com. I'm Coach Jody on Instagram and Twitter and Tiktok. Excellent. And I'll put your book information. Perfect. And actually, it's Jody underscore, I forgot that part. Underscore on Association underscore two and I always forget it. Okay. Judy underscore. Okay, good. I can't thank you enough. for sharing this, I feel very uplifted. I feel very inspired. Just knowing that you did that, and that you, I love what you did with it. You know that you're carrying it forward. And I'd love to see what you do in the future. Thank you. Well, up next is Machu Picchu in October, so Oh, cool. There's lots and lots of stairs. I did see that you have like a whole travel planning portion of your website, too. I forgot to mention that. Yeah, my travel agent is freaking amazing. She's, she has helped me plan pretty much everything since Kilimanjaro. And she's just she has been to over 65 countries herself. Yeah, she's, she is quite the traveler. And like main we've we both hit our seventh continent of Antarctica in this last December. So wow, she's very well traveled. She knows what she's talking about. She can work with anybody on any budget. So that link on my website goes goes right to her. Yeah. That's so cool. Yeah, you're a big traveler. seven continents, and you're not even you know, you're young. That's pretty cool. Yeah, now now I go. I want to go to each continent again. Oh, neat. And what's after Machu Picchu? No plans yet, but the way my life goes, there's no there might be something planned soon. So something's coming up. You don't you never know. Exactly. This was really great. I just really enjoyed talking to you. Well, thank you so much for having me on. I appreciate it. Excellent. Take care of yourself. You too. Thank you, Jodi, for a great interview. I feel uplifted by it. I'm hoping you guys do too. I just love what people do with their experiences and how they end up helping others. So listen, if you have a story, reach out to me, it's it's painless. I'm not you know, it doesn't hurt. We could just chat and see if you feel comfortable. And we can set up an interview, I do a zoom interview, and I only use the audio so you don't even have to comb your hair. It would be great to talk to you. You can reach out to me at the storied human@gmail.com Or you can DM me on Instagram. I'm l Thompson. It's capital L capital t h o m p s o n underscore 574. And you got to understand now I've done almost 100 interviews and everybody has a story. Even people who think they don't. Everyone has a story. And it's so interesting to share them. You never know who you're going to touch. You never know who's listening and you never know who you will help. So why don't you join me? Tell me your story. Like I said it doesn't hurt and you have more of a story than you think you do. So get in touch, let me know. And until the next time. Thank you